In the mid 1990’s the flat panel was introduced to the public and out to market for people who had $20,000-$30,000 to get this new exotic Plasma technology.
I remember the commercials of the TV on a ceiling over a bed thinking how cool!
Now with what we know who the hell would want a 160lb TV 9-12 feet above them when they slept?! Lol certain death for sure. Who would hang a TV on a ceiling any how? Maybe an asshole?
Plasma TV’s produced the best picture quality.”period” for many, many years until 2013-2014 OLED technology was able to produce high resolutions and larger than 18″ panels.
But it wasn’t OLED that took Plasma down it was the thin light weight LCD/LED panels that did it.
And they never and still have not come close to even matching plasma picture quality. LCD/LED panels not getting close to Plasma is incorrect really they are getting closer but still not there.
a old 2014 Plasma 1080p vs the 2015-16 UHD 4k LCD/LED still did not match the plasma displays color or picture quality.
Plasma didn’t need 120hz-240hz it just kicked ass naturally and had no picture deterioration during fast moving or action packed scenes like LCD/LED panels did and still do.
Well for the most part the super high end 4k models from Sony & Samsung are okay with fast moving action but still don’t rival or match plasmas picture quality and color.
As of December 2014 the last plasma factory was closed down by Panasonic who was the Plasma kings.
They have officially moved to LCD/LED & OLED and will be using LG’s LCD & OLED panels.
Which is good they were close to shutting down their TV line completely.
Panasonic makes great products.
But Plasma had the better picture almost reference how did an inferior product like LCD/LED take it down?
Most will say it was poor marketing on Panasonics part, Limited consumer knowledge, falsified info regarding plasma.
The list can go on for a little more. Sure these issues did have an impact on it’s demise.
But I think what killed Plasma was partial consumer ignorance but mostly Plasma’s weight and size.
Today everyone wants small foot print even if they are buying a 70″ TV they want it light and thin. Not to mention Plasma couldn’t compete in the super sized markets of 70″ and up panels.
And even if plasma could give you a 70-80″ TV it would weigh 500lbs.
Even small panels have you ever saw a laptop with a plasma screen? Or a cellular or tablet?
Smallest plasma could get was 32″ and there weren’t many of them out there.
This is where LCD/LED just whipped the pants off plasma now with the maturity of LCD/LED it’s getting close to plasma picture quality but they keep getting bigger and lighter.
When the consumer see’s LCD on their phones and tablets and computers, laptops this alone is selling LCD technology. And not to mention the fantastic marketing being done for it from huge manufacturers like Sony & Samsung.
Plasma didn’t stand a chance.
Over it’s life span on the market and many generations later the plasma did get a little lighter and a little thinner. But could never compete with LCD on that level.
My own personal issues with plasma were not weight or how thin it was. I always preferred plasma over LCD technology for it picture quality.
But The Burn-in/image retention issues were to hard to ignore.
Later generations claimed to have fixed the issue with image burn or retention but it was just to late by then I had already adopted LCD/LED technology.
In truth I just did not believe they fixed the burn-in issues with shifting.
I had repaired a Vizio 32″ Plasma television they never came back for it so I kept it.
It was a 2009 model which was on it’s 15th or 16th generation panel. Claims that burn-in and retention were a thing of the past with plasma displays.
If I put on a TV show for 30 minutes on TNT or TBS the logo would burn-in on the bottom corner. After an hour or 2 on a different channel with no logo’s and turning the TV off a few times the image would no longer be present.
This was very concerning it indicated to me that if I had decided to watch a week long marathon on one channel like TNT the burn in would be permanent.
If I ever do run into a Plasma display that needs repair that is 2013-1014 model I’m going to put it to the test and do the 30 minute sitcom on TBS.
Willing to bet it gets retention. I don’t care what manufacturer it comes from. Well in 2013-14 only Panasonic was making and releasing Plasma TV’s.
LG is the creator of OLED technology and was the only manufacturer to produce and sell OLED televisions. “Here in America” Samsung did have a model or 2 as well early on in the OLED release back when Samsung was praising the tech.
Back in 2013/2014 the 1st generation of OLED was on the market LG & Samsung were the 2 companies to release the OLED there was the LG 55EM9700 & Samsung KN55S9
The prices were high LG’s OLED $8,999 Samsungs OLED $9,999. And LG Dropped the price to go against Samsungs OLED.
Later on “2014” Only 1 model released prior and no others produced Samsung decided with OLED’s short lifespan of 30,000 hours and issue with the color blue dying out before red or green to no longer make any OLED televisions and is concentrating on Quantum Dot and QLED another off shot of OLED which LG holds patents on.
The future of OLED was not looking so bright with only LG pushing this technology.
Even if it’s the best quality picture you can get even over Sony’s $50,000 professional-grade studio monitor. If no one is making the tech then prices never drop and it drops off the market and peoples minds very quickly.
Over seas was quite different there were other OLED manufacturers that released televisions. Names like Changhong 55Q1A “China”, Skyworth Tianchi E980 “China”, Konka 65X90PU “No info on region surely not the states”, KTC 55L8EF “China”, Metz Novum Twin R “Germany”, Loewe Bild 7 “German”, Skyworth S9-I “China”, Grundig 65VLO9790 “Scandinavia”,. All OLED models “Just the OLED Panels” listed are produced by LG.
Fast Forward to 2016-17 and now 5th-6th generation panels OLED has matured and become a bit cheaper to mass produce.
And also has a lifespan longer than what’s rated on LCD/LED televisions over “100,000 hours” and the blue color issue long resolved.
Now Samsung is saying no to OLED “for now” Sony’s Bravia line is introducing OLED in 2017 Sony Bravia A1 & A1E.
LG still releasing OLED models as well and now Panasonic is also releasing OLED Televisions in 2017.
With Samsung now basically saying it’s surviving so we will produce OLED again if we must to stay competitive in the UHD TV market and Vizio also considering.
OLED IS NOT going anywhere it’s here to stay and 2017 will be the year people start putting them in their homes. With 55″ OLEDS as low as $2,500 and when on sale as low as $1,999.
It’s just a matter of time that everyone takes notice.
By 2020 I think it’ll be wide spread with Picture on glass OLED and fully Flexible OLED TV’s there will be a TV for everyone and every type of setup imaginable.
Current OLED’s 2016 and up are as thin as a credit card 1mm thick weighing less than 30lbs for a 55: TV.
Almost forgot Philips is also in the OLED game this year.
Check out the flexible OLED amazing!-:
LG OLED thin as news paper and rolls up too. This may be the future of newspaper.
Only issue I see with OLED at this time is no production of any panels that are 20″-32″ for the laptop/desktop market.
There are plenty of Cell phone OLED screens and 55″, 65″ 75″ television sizes.
Comes down to production I saw a SonyDrive XEL-1 OLED it is 11″ and at a cost that exceeds a 55″ OLED Television $2,499! A few hundred $$ more and you can buy a 2016 65″ OLED TV.
For now it seems that cutting computer sized panels is costly and ruins possible larger screens that could of been produced.
Until OLED is more widely used as home TV’s chances are we won’t see any OLED computer or laptop screens for a few more years. Hopefully I’m wrong.
OLED’s latest models would make great laptops and even desktops. even thinner & lighter laptops computer screens that are thin and clear like glass until you turn your PC on.
Or Laptops that have a thin flexible screen that can be inserted and pulled out of the laptop making it much more portable. Or Tablets that are glass no speakers needed now that OLED’s can produce sound right from the screen.
The possibilities are endless and in my opinion the next major step forward.
Sound from the OLED panel
Put in the order last week for the Samsung UHD Bluray Player along with 2- 4k BR movies.
The movies were supposed to arrive same day they did not. After the player arrived I just went to Best Buy and grabbed up a UltraHD Bluray that was on sale. “The Huntsman Winters War”
Get in door begin to unpack the player and connect to our home theater setup which consists of The TV and the Pioneer VSX-830-K Surround Sound receiver.
The receiver has a total of 6 HDMI ports only 3 of the 6 are being used. Figured simple stuff connect HDMI cable to Bluray player then put the other HDMI end into one of the free HDMI inputs on the Pioneer plug in Ethernet cord and power and off I go! But nope this wasn’t the case.
All I got was a black screen no picture or sound and what’s worse when the player was powered on the receiver would no longer allow any other components to work which did prior to connecting the new UHD BR Player. So now all components were black screened with no sound.
Unplug & power off the UHD BR player. Then power down and restart TV & receiver to get the other components back working again.
The player worked when plugged directly into the TV but I want it through the receiver for surround sound what is the point if this doesn’t work.
Into the Samsung’s UHD BR players menu to see what’s happening like FW updates and video settings.
Sure enough the player needed a FW update. This is quite normal usually all components that you get need Firmware updating.
Then decided better to check TV & receivers FW as well. They were both current no updates were available.
So after FW update I power down and hold the stop button on the player to set to manufacturers defaults.
Power on to try again, no fix same issue black screen no sound and now the receivers HDMI light is flashing red. When working properly the light should be solid red.
Now figure it must be my HDMI cables. Try Vizio made cables, LG, Monster & a few different brands still no fix.
In the Sound menu options in the Player I see you can select to use HDMI 1 or HDMI 2 on the player.
The Samsung UltraHD Bluray player has 2 HDMI ports. One for Video & audio then a 2nd HDMI port for audio only.
I then tried this HDMI Port 1 from Player directly to HDMI 2 Port on Tv separate from the receiver and then put HDMI cord in port 2 of the Samsung player and plugged into the receivers free HDMI 4 input for just handling the audio side of things. All I want is to get surround sound anyhow so if this works I’ll be okay with it.
And again no audio but I get video when HDMI cable goes directly to the TV.
Notice that the HDMI light on receiver is blinking red handshake issue I believe at this point.
In order to watch any 4k Bluray movies your Television and receiver must be HDCP 2.2 in order to view 4k content on disc.
I pack it up go to bed wake up 2 hours later try again with no luck. Wake up this morning try again but now I have troubleshot enough to know that the TV & the Player play well it’s the receiver that is not.
Read the manual it clearly says all HDMI ports are HDCP 2.2 compliant.
Still trying same shit just in different order I almost give up. I then say okay let’s hit the forums. Still notta. So I then download a new manual to see it’s revised and now in small letters in a brackets box at the bottom of the page it says VSX-1031 & 830 HDMI ports DVD/Bluray or HDMI 3 are the only ports that are HDCP 2.2 compliant.
So connect the audio HDMI cable to the DVD -HDMI port on the receiver and sure enough the damn thing works!
An updated damn manual!! Frustration at MAX!!
In an age where every flat screen television that is 26″ or larger is a smart TV.
I have to wonder why Samsung added their SmartOS into the UHD BR player.
All Samsung TV’s are smart what is with the redundancy? The player is not going to be bought by basic movie watchers. The Player requires a 4k TV that is HDCP 2.2 compliant why would they think they needed to add any apps to this device? Seems a waste to me.
Could of come up with other things to add in try to innovate make something new don’t just push latest tech with rehashed apps that are on every smart TV & media box available.
This wasn’t a $99 player. They were charging a premium price for it. So they felt they had to add something else to it why not regurgitated apps that are on every device we own!
It’s time to drop the SmartOS apps in component devices that don’t make sense we all don’t need Netflix and Hulu on every device connected to our home theater.
Come on! You make millions off latest tech you can’t get a team to come up with something that isn’t on every device already?
Have a menu with a browser and a app that allows you to download and view scenes that were cut and not included on the 4k Blu-ray in the drive.
Virtual tours on set or back stage. Anything other than the same apps we have on every device we buy. I’m sick & tired of seeing Netflix & Hulu in every damn TV & small media box there is.
Some people may want to wait a few player generation jumps before stepping into 4k Bluray.
If you want to watch true 4k then you will have to dish out the cash for a UHD player.
I recently watched my first 4K movie “Deadpool” It was filmed in 2k and processed to 4k from transfer.
Did it make a difference compared to 1080p? Absolutely even a conversion looked superb.
You can see every stitch and detail in Deadpool’s outfit and the colors are unmatched to anything I’ve ever seen.
Everything is vibrant and bright and the blacks are deep.
I’ve watched Netflix UHD w/Deep color/HDR Also Amazons UHD and they are NOT true UHD you will not see true 4k unless you have a 4k Bluray player and 4k media.
Once you see it you will like.
Last year I was looking to purchase a receiver that supported 4k and either 5.2 or 7.1 surround sound with DTS:X & Dolby Atmos which is both new surround sound that is being used on movies that are on 4k Blurays.
Issue I found was either one would only have Dolby Atmos but no DTS:X or the opposite.
Just could not find one that supported both DTS:X & Dolby Atmos with 4 k support.
Today this is easy to find now receivers are built with both and last generation DTSHD and Dolby True.
What I failed to look into was what the requirements were to optimize these new surround sound codecs.
Now there are ceiling speakers not hang on the wall these are to be mounted in/on the ceiling.
And depending on size and even sound you want you can have either 2 or 4 ceiling speakers on top of the 5.1 or 7.1 speakers you already have setup.
So now it’s 5.1.2 or 5.1.4 or 7.1.2 or 7.1.4.
This may sound fantastic but I am not ready to be cutting speaker holes in my ceiling.
Hopefully as time passes there will be newer speaker options for the ceiling that does not require cutting holes.
Or are very small but have big sound, This way cutting holes in ceiling will be easy to patch up when you either move or decide to move the living room around.
Until then I’m going to be taking a pass on the new sound options and or buying a new receiver.
That is the biggest issue with surround setups once you set up you are pretty much stuck with your TV & couch placement for quite some time.
Put in an order for only 2 UHD Blurays.
The Revenant & Deadpool both movies are different in every way.
Went ahead and purchased the Samsung UBD-K8500 4k Bluray player.
Got a great deal on it paid maybe $30 more than what you pay for a new standard 1080p Bluray player.
And will still play standard Blurays & 3d Blurays along with DVD’s. I only have maybe 10 DVD’s I have kept. They are Music/concerts and some rare horror films that were never released to Bluray.
Reason for Deadpool purchase is because Deadpool is awesome and I understand that the colors in this movie are excellent in 4k listed at #4 in top 4k Blurays to watch.
This movie was originally filmed in 2k so the movies transfer to 4k is an upconversion but they say it’s one of the best.
The Revenant This movie is very good and the interest in this is the filming of outdoors more earth like colors and has fast moving action as well. Was a toss up between this and the movie Lucy which was transfer sourced from a 4K digital intermediate another true 4k transfer but I didn’t like Lucy as much as The Revenant.
This Revenant was originally shot digitally at resolutions of up to 6.5K so this movie has plenty of room to play and is True 4K.
Very interested to see how this one turns out this was listed at #8 on the Best 4k Blurays to own or watch.
On to 3d movies the word being spoken at events like CES and others claimed that with the arrival of 4k that 3d was dead and would not be releasing any 4k movies in 3d.
Pretty disappointing for owners of UHD 3d televisions? Not really 3d is still fun sometimes and 1080p still looks fanfuckingtastic!
We have owned a few 3D TV’s and our latest TV has us back in 3d again and we still like it here and there but it’s not something you can watch all the time.
Active glasses will put you to sleep and make no mistake so does passive. Passive is better than active that way but it still exists in both technologies.
Back in 2015 info was leaked regarding 4k 3d on Bluray format.
The Blu-ray Disc Association finalized specs for the new line of 4k Bluray discs the specs say won’t be designed to transfer 3D in UHD resolution.
What they decided was to instead concentrate on 4k media will support much wider color gamuts , 10-bit color depth and some other features intended for best possible 4k experience.
This may seem like a bummer on the 3d side but I can see why they want to concentrate on 4k.
It’s a good thing really 3d is still out there it’s just not going to be in 4k. Hopefully they will release 4K movies with a standard 1080p 3d movie included in the box for movies that offered 3d in theaters.
I have had the UltraHD Netflix package for over a year now and have never really said much about it mostly because it really is nothing to talk about.
It offers 4k movies and some also have HDR and Dolby Vision available.
1st issue is not many of the movies available were shot in true 4k which means your basically getting a upconverted 1080p image.
2nd issue is the movies are compressed to all hell because the network bandwidth needed to stream true 4k video with Surround sound would make most peoples network dump or just watch a movie that is constantly buffering.
These 2 issues are enough to give you an idea of what your getting.
Sure some movies really look better than their 1080 counterparts but it’s a few and far between that do so.
So is paying $2-$3 extra dollars a month for UltraHD content to your Netflix bill worth it?
I’d say for some yes but for most probably not.
So what is 4k UHD good for? UltraHD Blurays that is the only way you will see true 4k content and your TV must support HDR or Deep Color or the difference between 4k and 1080p is negligible.
If your HD TV does not support HDR then Deep color is another option this is also a improvement but again not all early model 4k TV’s support HDR or Deep color.
Now you have stepped into another costly component the UltraHD Bluray player.
Right now the cheapest UltaHD BR player you will find is the Samsung UBD-K8500 it is the 1st 4k player and sells new at Walmart for $247.36 it has dropped in price it was originally $399.
Or you can do what I did and go to Ebay to find the best deal you can.
Found a used one with no remote control and not in original box for $130.
I use a Harmony touch screen Universal remote control so the lack of remote is not an issue for me.
I’m sure any decent universal remote can be programmed to work on the UltraHD BR player you don’t need a $200 universal remote to program it.
The Samsung UBD-K8500 has gotten very good reviews but of course it will there is no other competition really out there to compare it to.
Went to Best Buy this afternoon and did TV shopping this time I had my sights on a OLED television.
It is a bit ridiculous I just bought the LG 60UF7700 a bit over a year ago.
But I’ve wanted a OLED TV since the very 1st one I saw on display at HH Gregg
Issue was back then they were 1st generation models that had issues with image retention and only had about 30,000 hours life span. And had an issue with the color Blue burning out before the red or green and cost $10,000. And were only pushing 350 nits bright.
Fast forward to 2016 and the issues have been rectified with models that are 2016 & 2017
They now have lifespans of 100,000 hours which is more than most LCD/LED’s are rated also fixed issue with the Blue color burning out and are now brighter than most LCD-LED televisions with the exception of Samsung & Sony’s ultra high end LCD/LED models.
And I was able to talk the sales person to sell me the 55C6P model for $1,839.99.
I wanted the flat panel model which is the B6P which was same price but did not offer 3d I figured I prefer the extra options and rather have 3d than not so curved model it was.
Watched Star Wars The Force Awakens on Bluray today and the picture quality is just amazing. I’ve owned some nice Televisions but this TV has a picture quality I have never seen before the colors are just awesome and blacks are black and whites are white.
So the TV is smaller by less than 4″ compared to the model I had.
Was it worth the loss absolutely I have never seen a TV with picture quality like this! It really is amazing and the 3d is the best I’ve ever seen it is passive set.
I have owned 2 3d TV’s prior one passive and one Active 3d and not one of them compare this TV has pop shit really comes out of the screen.
My Samsung Active 3d was 2nd best and the Vizio Passive behind that.
Without the stand it weighs only 29.1 lbs. The TV is almost thin as paper since it does not require back lighting like LCD/LED models.
Due to it being OLED each pixel is it’s own source so it has virtually zero refresh rate.
During high action fast moving scenes there is little to no tearing at all. Which helps improve picture quality greatly. I had a Philips TV that was 2ms and it also was a great performer was one of the best sets.
The thickest part is on the bottom where the mainboard and power supply are located.
It does 4k also supports HDR-10 and Dolby Vision HDR as well right now only Netflix has support for Dolby Vision that I know of but to get the UHD programs it brings your monthly Netflix bill up by $2-$3 a month.. And is a 10 bit panel.
This TV has the latest LG software WebOS 3.0.
It virtually has no response time so motion is great and is why I thing 3d looks so good on it. Can catch things that move quickly and be viewable to the watcher.
The component & composite inputs are different than I am used to they plug into a head phone type jack.
3 USB, 1 RF In (Antenna/Cable), 1 Composite In, 1 (shared with composite) Component In, 1 Ethernet, 1 Optical, 1 RS232C (Mini Jack)
The Cpu has been upgraded from previous years models it now sports an ARM cortex-A-53 4-core CPU. Which handles the WebOS3.0.
Normally I have buyers remorse after a purchase like this but it’s such an awesome television it’s hard to be sad about it.
Update 03/07: The first few generations of OLED did suffer from retention/burn-in.
I have did the 100 hours with settings at default and have now set colors and other advanced settings to calibrate. “Note: the TV already had 50 hours out of the box.”
My son has gamed and I spend a lot of time in Kodi menu’s updating and looking around for titles. Kodi has many static images very good to check burn-in factor on any TV.
As well as watching channels with logos and am happy to say I have not saw any retention what so ever.
Unlike my Plasma experience using a 15th gen panel. On the plasma I would get retention of the static logos from TNT after a short 15-30 minutes.
Also had a LCD panel that was susceptible to burn-in was a Sanyo model earlier model from 2005.
No TV’s are safe from burn-in as with the OLED panel if you abuse it and leave static images for long periods of time your going to see burn-in I don’t care if it’s a CRT,LCD or OLED.
The 2016 model I purchased was on display at Best Buy and yes it had terrible burn-in.
But keep in mind that Tv is a 2016 model I purchased it in 2017 so the model was on display showing the same image everyday over and over again for 11-12 hours a day 7 days a week for over 1 year.
Came out wrong I purchased the same model version NOT the display model it self.
I should of went into LG’s about settings. LG TV’s keep track of viewing hours and it can not be reset. Could of saw exactly how many hours the display TV had on it i’m willing to be over 10,000 hours. Next time I go in I am going to check it’s viewing time.
I did play with the store model panel and shut it down a few times and noticed as LG stated that the retention would go away. It did get better on each shut down I do believe that that TV was not permanently damaged. Would I of purchased the floor model NO.
But I am 100% comfortable in saying LG OLED’s latest generations are not easily susceptible to retention/burn-in.
I can not speak for Sony, Panasonic or Philips OLED televisions.